Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. Cancel online anytime. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. I didn't have. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. When the Bagbys visited the mortuary and saw Zachary's tiny body covered by a white sheet, they fell apart. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. Telegram file photo. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. And I said, `Who?' Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. "He was beautiful," Kate . Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. We. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). David Bagby. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. I was truly shocked when I watched it. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. 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Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. then one day I realized what it was. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. See rank. In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. 1 Photo. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Understood? Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. I mean, the best man is really the groom. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Please try again. I can understand that. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Did. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. 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Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Just rage. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' I dont know.. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. "It was an overpowering feeling. Or it's in the car. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. He was the whole world to them. And now I want to read the book. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? Cookie Notice Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. "It's a blur of emotion." In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. I think about the Bagby family all the time. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. But of course I didn't. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. I mean, she. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. This year is different. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. Get help and learn more about the design. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. Defo a good read. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. The. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. IE 11 is not supported. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. Very, very serious. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. Oh, my. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. What a flaky person. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. He was like Andrew. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. We lived for that hour every week.. It's. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. You can't tell them this over the phone. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. (Talking in group) This is not about money. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. Meeting her at 6. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. Cpl. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. 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