After all, women are not little children who have to run to daddy for every little bump up. This was not about a long hug. We notice them! The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. Brothers Dont Shake Hands, Brothers Gotta Hug. Tommy Boy, its definitely legit and very well written. @ Lydia: If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. Get this straight. My point is not so much whether this is right or wrong, but at the way this thing was done, yet is inaccurately perceived as a random event. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? This is not Christianity. We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. This is largely Christianese. and further question.. If WC folds, its a clear indication. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. He could claim that she was making up her story. @ dee: This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! Dont get me started on how mega churches operate. 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? (Dee), TELL YOUR DOCTOR if you have unlikely but serious side effects of Ambien including: Excellent post. You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. I was prescribed ambien, and I was one of those affected in that way behaving strangely and not remembering it the next day. At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. This is VERY common. I know I already plugged Barbs reviews of Don Hennesseys work, but Ill say again he also describes this process really well (in the context of domestic abuse.). It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels' unwanted attention and actions. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. Take responsibility for your actions and the role you played! I underestimated their ability to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the money flowing. This is church. Darn it! We have some good news to give to the world. I am an infrequent commenter here, but have been following the WW for years. I know in some places and countries, its cultural, but in general, hugging between men and women in the U.S.in workplace situations esp.is not considered appropriate or professional. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. As I said before, I think people who disbelieve the testimony of victims are the least credible people in these situations.. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. So Im now wondering. I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. All it would take, with most women is a subtle suggestion that You did come to my hotel room voluntarily or I didnt force you to stay and have a glass of wine to manipulate her into blaming herself for any inappropriate activity and keep her mouth shut. I suspect there are nefarious folks who prefer hugging all genders to shaking hands, as hugging males, as well as females, gives them plausible cover when they go for the non-righteous hug with a female (saying, I hug everybody!) Plus, research shows that women (generally) are more influenced by touch, as they have higher releases of oxytocin when hugged than males and even have a more dramatic willingness than men under those circumstances to give someone their money. Hybels used Yahweh (God) for his own desires and celebrity. Emails can be kept confidential with appropriate IT input. . It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. Hybels led many. I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. NB If anything uncomfortable happens again I will be saying something clearly to him & asking him to mind his manners. Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? Did we demand transparency? He could claim she was taking advantage of him (poor man) because she knew that after taking Ambien he might not be possessed of his full faculties for the rest of the night. Willow Creek's stature in the Christian community may have also helped Lynne Hybels, Bill's wife. At least you know what they are upfront . @ AbuseCrusher: Time for repentance not damage control. People we once thought of as reasonable become angry. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. Religious, but spiritually destitute. This is ridiculous! Position? And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. Dont work for Megas, folks. This is starting to sound like Pill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. Missionary Man I have been doing some background checking into this. It took a long time for her to get past that. Please understand that this is exactly the way it usually happens. I agree/support the various responses to Brad Brucker. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. The video is on YouTube: The trusting person is the dupe who was groomed to respond accordingly. Perhaps after a time. At what point will Heather Lawson realize that Willow Creek needs to over? Theres theory, and then practise. Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. At TWW, comments become a place of learning and exposure. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation, I am so glad to hear that you are well versed in the Scriptures. How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? Jan 13, 2018. What happened to Willow Creek? No, the flesh made them do it! Every believer has a unique calling. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. READ MORE: Brian Scotto Net Worth Books Some of his published books are: The Power of a Whisper: Hearing God, Having the Guts to Respond; Too Busy Not to Pray: Slowing down to Be with God; Simplify: Ten Practices to Unclutter Your Soul; I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. And a pedestal they can fall from and did. Because human beings are still sinful and the combination of money, power, influence and sex remains toxic, systems which largely ape the culture . There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. How is that not normal? I read it Daily and Journal too. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? To fellowship with other believers? I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. Kudos to these two publishers. Try finding a church now that sings traditional hymns or doesnt use projectors and worship teams. Jesus wins. (Source: https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels). It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. Weve seen all kinds of abuses from ministry leaders and time always reveals the truth. But it is also more than ethics here. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=NIV, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. Just think what you could do with a well placed suggestion after taking Ambien. It doesnt matter what they were wearing, what they were drinking, etc. Prestige of Willow Creek? The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. And he could also use the Ambien thing to slander Vonda if she publicly complained about the way he had treated her that night. Hybels was an early god of the mega how to manual. Who though renowned for his wisdom, had a strong of Rich Kid with Famous Father syndrome. Really? Bill Hybels and Willow Creek, Ravi Zacharias, Steve Timmis and Acts 29, Hillsong New York City pastor Carl Lentz, James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel are just a few of the names I could list. Anti-semitic ? That is a big part of the problem. Wow!!! She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. Such a horror of more revictimization. Agreed. not even then 4 years.?? 1 comment deleted. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Fine, however, increased accountability comes with this. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. One caught my eye: Courageous Leadership. I wonder if you would say the same thing about a small church in rural Indiana or is it only the big churches that are the most important? Thanks, Futurist Guy. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . What a great article! 3 comments are deleted. The gospel includes that in spite of what happened God is willing to forgive and restore the sinner in relationship to God. ), you come across as naive, profoundly ignorant. No wonder they get a God complex. I would assume these claims are multi million. @ Davis and Natasha: Still he says, Willow Creek should be able to survive, even if the allegations against Bill Hybels are true. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. The Aurora from TSO Photography on Vimeo. Hybels is a man and he serves at the pleasure of the real King. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. Its ridiculous. In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . How long are you going to allow Satan to control your actions? I have been doing this for 9 years and that is jus plain baloney. But on the wider scope, I asked the folks a work today if they knew what was happening at Willow Creek. Thanks Clockwork Angel! He was once featured in a Christian magazine. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart. 20 Where is the one who is wise? She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. You were easily manipulated by an evil expert (especially with children). Learn to value yourself. All we can do is obey the Lord, do whatever it is were told by Him to do. Jesus takes care of the harvest. Nothing to see here folksmove along! This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. As someone who didnt grow up in the church, I see the deep value of it. Ultimately only Willow Creek congregants can decide the fate of their church sad state of affairs with millions of dollars at stake. (I do think that helped me collect the red flags sooner, though). That is where I had to start over. What I count is as follows: As I said, I dont hug people at work. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. The exact same mind control tools create social justice Warrior Churches as are used to create mega seeker churches or the monolithic SBC franchise. Maybe you were mistaken, and maybe it was just a fluke and will never happen again. I saw this in mega churches and just about every secular organization I was in. As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. I know a lot of people who just want Christian life to be perfect and they will use every type of denial tactic to believe thats true. Read the books and follow the formula. He may or may not have been directly abusing his own wife, but he surely was abusing the women in his church who he targeted. memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. Hooray for David. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. It would take only one cracker to spill all that confidential information to the world (or one thief of the pastors unencrypted computer). All about leadership, leadership, leadership. @ Lydia: Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. No longer have their careers as a result of their actions Yes, I am. In a calm. My wife worked for a Fortune 500 and did grad work in the hard sciences, she taught for a Pac12 university, I have taught law in higher ed for 15 years. And some people here are calling your guru to account for apparently not being obedient at all, for being a fraud, a hypocrite. Or they adapted. Bill Hybels stepped down. Look for similarities with the other victims testimonies. AFAIK they havent yet made any corrections or denials. If it is impossible for the man to keep his hands to himself, then it is the responsibility of the women to activate their own tell-the-difference perception and act accordingly. That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. Read reviews from world's largest community for readers. Excuse me? I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. Remember Bill hybels stepped down. On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Not at all but this bit sums up Hybels Leadership acumen we used to make fun of in the 90s. You just described me. I dont care if its what you like to do. Celebrity is credibility in that world. Lawrence Krauss is a famous atheist and liberal crusader and, in certain whisper networks, a well-known problem, according to author Peter Aldhous, in his article on *BuzzFeed*. He describes how the skilled offender plans the way he will abuse the woman from day one. I will leave you to your study. The Holy Spirit, as Dee correctly said, does the work. Whats wrong with you women? But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. HE GOT AWAY WITH IT, SO CAN I! Sigh. You are right, the whole situation smells of cover-up. Why is Willow Creek exempt? The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? (none of them did it in a bothersome way, I just wasnt used to it). The Devil is destroying yet another church. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. Ambien was his excuse and it worked for quite awhile. Taught many lies in the churches even to the point where we unknowingly give homage to the devil. Sounds more like damage control. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. Thank you for sharing your analysis of this! Among the prominent U.S. and Palestinian church voices who spoke was Lynne Hybels, co-founder with her pastor husband Bill of the Chicago area Willow Creek Church, which itself spawned a . * Scripture does not discuss it that way. Bingo. No one. These people are the living proof. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! In that planning he can do and say things prior to the offence which will give him a get out of jail free card later if his offence gets exposed or the target woman overtly resists his abuse. I hope its okay to post. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. 3) Their situation is, as Jack Nicholsons character says in the movie of the same name, As good as it gets.. And ironically, asking that question is why. What is it about these minister and their hugs. That is a mistake. Please bear with me. I have plenty of people whod vouch that Im often a royal pain in the keester, that I shoot from the hip, that I get downright angry, often in an ungodly way, when dealing with bullies, especially religious bullies, youd probably find some whod call me a contentious man, but I dont think youd find one of them whod call me a liar, a sleazy operator, a shifty lawyer type. And few of us agree on every point! @ dee: 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. Read the Bible. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Again, the new york . But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? Interesting, as it goes after comments (he said bad words) and some situations, offering a perspective, all engineered to shape the perspective regarding Hybels. Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. Shameful! What I count is as follows: Redemption. (A bit dogmatic, huh? Read the Bible. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. @ dee: @ April Kasper: This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. @ ishy: You forgot naked swimming, shower on the boat, and deleted emails. That was Pauls charge to Timothy. There is your real problem, right there. Oh dear. They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. Oh, absolutely. We were just people who assumed the best of those who claimed to be leading in the name of God. Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. @ truthseeker00: The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! I dont understand the purpose!!!!! Posting from East China where these kind of things often, ahem, usually get brushed under the carpet. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. In this day and age, no one wants to get their name caught in the tangled web. This leads those who might otherwise speak up about inappropriate behavior to not cast the first stone. "Who will pay for the SBCs abuse reforms over the long term? If interested, I posted more material, links, analysis, and some leads to Dan Brennans thoughts on anxious egalitarianism, on this article: https://futuristguy.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/some-thoughts-on-supposedly-feminist-men-who-reportedly-abuse-harass-women/. Much Prayer as God makes all things clear. And I go back to one of my earlier assertions about celebrity. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. If they are self impressed with the numbers who attend WCC, they have a problem. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. Really? Its not about perfection but it is about striving to be. If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. Yes, the ambien thing really bugs me. But long ago, I realized that these situations are not made up of clear white/black hats. I will keep the website updated. If we do that, whether it is an elderly shut in praying for her friends and family in solitude or a person such as Peter standing in front of thousands, so long as we do whatever the Lord asks, that is a great work. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for the person and the institution? Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Make an Example of one, and a hundred will fall right into line, bleating praises. Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. No one, from the janitor to the CEO, can be deemed off limits to the moral and ethical demands of respect, decency and appropriate behavior. 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